Thursday, November 02, 2006

The Norton Anthology of Pornography

القبس 1 نوفمبر 2006
اثارت بعض الرسومات الاباحية التي تضمنها كتاب مقرر الشعر في اللغة الانكليزية في كلية الآداب استياء بعض الطلبة الذين ابدوا ل'القبس' اعتراضهم على مثل هذه الرسومات التي تتعارض مع قيم المجتمع الكويتي.
القبس 2 نوفمبر 2006
وقالت المصادر ان الفهيد - الذي لم يكن يعلم بما يحويه الكتاب من رسومات اباحية - سيحيل عددا من الاساتذة في الاداب وهم المسؤولون عن تدريس الكتاب للتحقيق ايضا لتدريسه رغم علمهم بالرسومات
العنزي يدعو الطبطبائي إلى التحقق من كيفية تدريس كتاب في الجامعة يحوي تجاوزات أخلاقية
متسائلا: ما علاقة الشعر والأدب بالرسومات الاباحية؟
وأكد ان الأدب يعني ارتقاء في الفكر والسلوك والقيم بينما احتواء هذا الكتاب على مثل هذه التجاوزات الأخلاقية تدمير للقيم وهدم للمبادئ، متسائلا: ما علاقة الشعر والأدب بالرسومات الاباحية؟فضلا عن منافاته لقيم ديننا الإسلامي الحنيف

The problem is that the dean has my copy now so I can't post those pictures here :(
Now tell me seriously, where is this country heading if art is now seen as pornography, and if the Norton is a book to shock?
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UPDATE
exhibit A, B, and C (Click to enlarge)

masaccio The Garden of Eden with the Fall of Man freud

45 comments:

Jacqui said...

WTH?! What now even the curriculum books are pornographic? And since when did those "students" even bother to open the books. You gotta admit though that its not likely one of the Private School kids who probably complained.. instead its one of those well lets call them losers, who basically would giggle at anything slightly pornographic! Don't you think?

But this is really ticking me off :/ Seriously ticking me off :/

Urgh!

Nuttimilius said...

You know what they should ban next? Cereal Boxes! Those English letters on them rectangular cartoons, UGH!!!! sexy! I'd prefer a Kellogs to a Norton!! At least Kellogs is sexy AND delicious.


morons......

al7een ilwa7ed shloon ye6ba3 ketaba? Malat 3al bamya......

Aurous said...

what next, will they ban good art
meusiums are filled with this kind of art (not in kuwait ofcurse) but still, it IS art.
Why did the dean take your copy??

Nuttimilius said...

Because men are allowed to watch pornography LOL

-huggles ducky the poor vulnerable naive woman-

AyyA said...

This is absurd, my blood pressure is sky rocketing high, when I cool off I shall return offfffff

Delicately Realistic said...

Plz plz plz find a copy and show us these so called pornographic images.

Im extremely curious to see.

Jackie: We all know which ppl complained :P ma3rofeen...they exist in every faculty of KU. Hffffff!

Nuttimilius said...

And I'm pretty sure they don't read romance novels LOL

Joe T said...

sigh, it saddens me how instead of advancing we are going backwards... maybe am not in position to state, but from what i was told by my family that kuwait was much more "open" if you like to call it that. i studied that book and i dont even rememeber those "pictures". Mythology for example, how are we to study that without being exposed to nude sculptures for example? or even the myths themselves! and beside why deny nature? isnt it our nature? isnt the human body a gift and a nature? i wish i can say what i have in mind but it may offend even the "open minded". sigh, you know? i think i would be very satisfied if i thought of as an impicil or an etheiest by the Kuwaiti majority, that would actually PLEASE ME.
JT

Joe T said...

okay, after one calms down he/she would think diffrently. okay i may see a point in what they claimed to be a pornographic image cause of the well u know why. but yet they have to realize that the country WONT be what they want it to be, they have to respect and give us our choice. i just heard aswell that Virgin megastore is going to ban some english materials, not sure if music but i think its prolly some of the "Dvds" they have, like sex and the city, its not censored there. how about a law or a freakin sticker that says that on the cover? and damnit "SEX" and the city, isnt that ENOUGH to tell you whats in it? if a parent is afraid of his/her children to view such things, well damnit WATCH OVER THEM. they just whine because of their carelessness? thats why there is a rating system to such things. and yeah its very cool how they get to choose what we view/watch/read. awesome education system in kuwait dont ya say? yeah cool... grrrrr i guess i didnt calm down afterall. imigrate anybody? :P

coquette said...

god im soo glad i graduated!! im sorry u guys have to deal with this shit! why bother with the english department? etha kelshay is considered porn...they might as well shut down the whole dept!! Let's hope they dont learn to read..or else they'll ban books such as Joyce's Ulysses lol

White Wings said...

it is not the book that is pornographic, it is our censors, spread everywhere and implanted in every corner of our lives, who have pornographic minds, they see, read, feel and smell a pornographic content to every act, every thought..see, what they read and see is a reflection of the picture in their minds..
يا الاهي، والعمل؟؟

No3iK said...
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No3iK said...

hey hanan ..
i can only imagine how ur feeling!!
i mean i graduated and i have nothing to do with the university anymore! thank god for that ..!!

but my pressure went up! this is absurd silly lame and embaressing.

if u need a copy of the book i still have mine.
i dont know if u had the same one, coz i got mine form amazon..
its the "norton anthology of english literature" the major authors seventh edition.

it is 2870 pages!! now how can u ban all of this text! for some pics.

Ghasheema said...

thats very very very ignorant act. ask No3ik said you ban the whole book for a couple of images.

its like banning medicine students from looking at the pictures of the naked human body!!!

there is a difference and the difference is in the purpose.

AyyA said...

Hanan
I suggest that you ask the dean to demand banning this type of porn
in Alsharee3a College. Which I believe has the same concept if not more sexually stimulating than some painting of art in literature class.

Shurouq said...

I Love KU

Shurouq said...

And Hanan, for what what you have to put up with, i love you too. :*

Shopaholic Q8eya said...

lol and people wonder ehy we love this country ;P

Yaz said...

I would like to comment on what someone called Joe T said. he seems to call himself an "etheiest" first of all, in order for you to be labelled as an "etheiest", one would think you'd know how to spell it. ;) it's atheist, by the way.
second of all, I find it ridicilous how some people actually considered censoring a "Norton Anthology". it is one of the most crucial and beneficial books for the department. But, all in all, it is worth a petition or something of the sort. english lit students should take a stand or something. i hope everything works out..dr. hanan, hang in there.:)

Shahd said...

Haha. funny thing about the atheist spelling. it's like that with ku sometimes, it happens. anyway, this whole norton thing is really pathetic. things like this make me feel like it's sad how people bend the rules for a few "Chosen ones" and not for the ones who deserve it. if the english department does not have atleast a small amount of freedom, then we might as well cancel the whole department and boycott English Lit.

Spontaneousnessity said...

it still sounds shocking, makes me feel as if am in a very closeminded backwarded country..

aren't I?

Proletarian said...

I was shocked when I read the news. This is absolutely politically motivated move by the university president. If the academic community does not have the freedom of thought, then what we should say about the rest of Kuwait. We are living under the Islam movement terror. They started with Al Bagdadi and they want to take control of the whole university now.
This is outrageous…

Jewaira said...

The furor probably had something to do with Milton's Paradise Lost.

According to the Norton web site: Norton web site:

"During his tour of Italy in 1638–39, Milton probably saw some of the numerous representations of aspects of the Genesis story in Renaissance paintings and tapestries. We do not know which ones he saw, but certain remarkable images may have stimulated his imagination. A representative sample is included here: Veronese's Creation of Eve,Cranach's Adam and Eve Cranach's Adam and Eve, Dürer's The Fall, two of the Medici tapestries presenting The Fall and The Judgement of Adam and Eve, and Masaccio's The Expulsion.



One should expect this at KU. There was some noise about Norton's illustrations some years back too but it all depends on how wise and how strong the Dean is and of course how effectively the KU president can stand against the forces.

How on earth are you to teach English literature in the historical context stripped of its Christian heritage and the important artistic depictions?

The highest educational institution in Kuwait must bow to censorship.

This is sad.

I ask you which is more sexually provocative: the gyrations of scantily clad singers/dancers on TV or these classical paintings that have been preserved for hundreds of years - far more than I can say for any music or art produced these days.

But I have dealt with this first hand and it is very difficult to convince even moderate people that books with illustrations on art history are not offensive to our culture.


And sorry Hanan for the long, long comment :)

M-Redux said...

Sad, sick and laughable...those people should stop the banning game and keep it real, instead of being dirty hags who tease the public by giving permission to sell books like Kabbalah for Life then banning them after a few days or whatever...

Kasik Ya Watan said...

شيء مزعج للغاية

ياريت يقرون كتب التاريخ الإسلامي وكتب الحديث ... والله أقوى من الف ليلة وليلة وكليلة ودمنة

فيها جنس تستحي منه شارون ستون

أحب أضيف للحدث إلي ذكرته العزيزة آيا هذه الكوكبة من الأحاديث التي راعيت في إختيارها الذوق والآداب العامة علشان ما يزعلون منا جماعة الأمر بالمعروف الكويتية


(1)
‏حدثنا ‏ ‏قتيبة بن سعيد ‏ ‏وأبو بكر بن أبي شيبة ‏ ‏وعمرو الناقد ‏ ‏واللفظ ‏ ‏لأبي بكر ‏ ‏قالوا حدثنا ‏ ‏سفيان ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن المنكدر ‏ ‏سمع ‏ ‏جابرا ‏ ‏يقولا ‏
‏كانت ‏ ‏اليهود ‏ ‏تقول إذا أتى الرجل امرأته من دبرها في قبلها كان الولد أحول فنزلت ‏

‏نساؤكم حرث لكم فأتوا ‏ ‏حرثكم ‏ ‏أنى شئتم ‏


(2)
‏حدثنا ‏ ‏أحمد بن عبد الله بن يونس ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏زهير ‏ ‏أخبرنا ‏ ‏أبو الزبير ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏جابر ‏
‏أن رجلا أتى رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏فقال إن لي ‏ ‏جارية ‏ ‏هي خادمنا وسانيتنا وأنا ‏ ‏أطوف ‏ ‏عليها وأنا أكره أن تحمل فقال ‏ ‏اعزل ‏ ‏عنها إن شئت فإنه ‏ ‏سيأتيها ما قدر لها فلبث الرجل ثم أتاه فقال إن ‏ ‏الجارية ‏ ‏قد حبلت فقال قد أخبرتك أنه ‏ ‏سيأتيها ما قدر لها

(3)
‏و حدثنا ‏ ‏يحيى بن أيوب ‏ ‏وقتيبة بن سعيد ‏ ‏وعلي بن حجر ‏ ‏قالوا حدثنا ‏ ‏إسمعيل بن جعفر ‏ ‏أخبرني ‏ ‏ربيعة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏محمد بن يحيى بن حبان ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏ابن محيريز ‏ ‏أنه قال ‏
‏دخلت أنا ‏ ‏وأبو صرمة ‏ ‏على ‏ ‏أبي سعيد الخدري ‏ ‏فسأله ‏ ‏أبو صرمة ‏ ‏فقال يا ‏ ‏أبا سعيد ‏ ‏هل سمعت رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏يذكر ‏ ‏العزل ‏ ‏فقال نعم غزونا مع رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏غزوة ‏ ‏بلمصطلق ‏ ‏فسبينا كرائم ‏ ‏العرب ‏ ‏فطالت علينا العزبة ورغبنا في الفداء فأردنا أن ‏ ‏نستمتع ‏ ‏ونعزل فقلنا نفعل ورسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏بين أظهرنا ‏ ‏لا نسأله فسألنا رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏فقال ‏ ‏لا عليكم أن لا تفعلوا ما كتب الله خلق نسمة هي كائنة إلى يوم القيامة إلا ستكون ‏
‏حدثني ‏ ‏محمد بن الفرج مولى بني هاشم ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن الزبرقان ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏موسى بن عقبة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏محمد بن يحيى بن حبان ‏ ‏بهذا الإسناد ‏ ‏في معنى حديث ‏ ‏ربيعة ‏ ‏غير أنه قال فإن الله كتب من هو خالق إلى يوم القيامة
________

يعني لا تخافون تخلصون بره ولا داخل ... إذا الله كاتب إنها تحمل راح تحمل

لا والمشكلة إنا واحد مع الخدامة والثانين مع أسرى الحرب ... ما ينلامون ربع صدام عيل لما دخلوا الكويت

الله يستر ... وكاسك

Kasik Ya Watan said...

على طاري الأمر بالمعروف ... أذكر أول التحرير كانوا يبون يشكلون هالجماعة بس أهل الكويت وقفولهم حزتها وتشعموهم ... وينا أحنا الحين ما نشكمهم

Alia said...

Hanan honey .. عفوا bas they're assholes
& Seriously .. they took your copy??? عشان ما تمشين تنشرين الرذيلة مثلا؟؟
لو آنا منج أعطي الطلبة اللي قدموا الشكوى إف .. من حرتي

Hanan said...

jacqui. Are you telling me that public school kids are losers? shame shame on you. (Can you tell I'm turning public school bloggers on you?)

nutti. you sure are nutty. :P

auros. you got it. art museums? in kuwait? oh and i showed him the book coz he didn't know what paintings they were talking about. i got it back today and will be publishing porn here soon.

ayya. salamat your blood pressure babe.

dr. soon

joe t. i guess the next thing would be banning art, literature included. we're going backwards pretty fast.

coquette. i just told my students about behbehani's reading of joyce.

white wings العمل نستقيل ونهاجر. شرايك؟

no3ik. thanks. i got my copy back. i think they might just remove the companion but we'll be fighting against that too. i'll keep you posted.

ghasheema. students of architect study roman and greek architecture, which involves sculptures of nudes. students of science study the human body. i hope in the nude as well. but you're talking logic to people who have no brains to see your logic.

ayya. or maybe ban the sharee3a itself? :)

shuroq. I love you and KU too.

shopa. but i still love this country alot :(

yaz. i know for sure that our english students would be more than willing to take that stand with us. oh and people make spelling mistakes all the time here. it is not a sign of ignorance, just haste maybe :)

shahad. our chair's first angry response to them is that we can't ban the book, you might as well just shut the department.

sponta. as if? does it get any more backwards and closedminded than this?

proletarian. let's see how this escalates.

jewaira. your comments are always welcome here, long or short?

m-redux. it's beyond sad and definitely not funny. just pure stupidity.

kasik. i think it's because religion is so sexually geared that their minds only go there.

alia. borrowed my copy. but it's back now.

TANTALIZE said...

Almost all of the comments were complaints. Typical! Much talk with little active substance. Passivity won’t help. Action will. What people have to do is rally/protest and deal with this sort of invasion head on instead of just whine and moan. That is why the Conservative Student Union (Al Itlafiya) won this year in the College of Arts at Kuwait University, while in the National Assembly they have lost some power (seats). It's partially because very few students voted since they didn’t care.

You have to admire how the Islamicists congregrate in large groups and try to win their cases in as much. It’s rare to find them alone. They are a type of religious mafia, and if they aren’t halted, they’ll continue to be overempowering. That’s how they gain power. In contrast, the supposed moderates are not uniformed and lack the conjoined community that more religious groups flourish in.

So get off your asses and do something!

3abeer said...

look at the bright side...we're better than egypt...
a few years back they were going to ban cucumbers there! I'm serious and I'm not making this up.. they thought ...well...hmmm you get the picture.

so we are surrounded by porn..

porn here .. porn there.. porn everywhere :P

forget education.. forget art.. aham shay el akhalaq ..

تبا للبورنوغرافي

AyyA said...

I agree with tantalize, we can’t stay quite, something has to be done, and I suggest to have a brainstorming session on this blog for suggestions and let’s start a campaign, even if it starts small, we have to be heard, this is an on-going process, these people won’t stop at anything. Do you guys want to wait till it’s too late?

White Wings said...

نهاجر ونخليلهم الكويت؟
لو يموتون
وبعدين انت تقدرين؟ لا أنا ولا أنت
زي السمكة بر المية
:)
نبي طيور الظلام تهاجر، عندج طريقة؟؟

Soud said...

فى كليه الطب يدرسون الطلبه الجسم البشرى كجزء من علم التشريح يروحون يلغون المنهج بعد ؟

الدين شىء, والعلم شىء ثانى ما يجوز الخلط وحتى التداخل بينهم

Nuttimilius said...

I have a question...when doctors order a book for a curriculum, doesn't the wizara supply the book? and doesn't it pass through their censoring committee first? I've seen many books in KU Bookshop with stickers on them. So if this book slipped their nose, then shouldn't we (rather than make a big deal about the nudity in the pictures) make a big deal about their slacking off at work??

No3iK said...

i think english department should go on a strike.

نون النساء said...

لووووووول

يؤمنون ببعض الكتاب ويكفرون ببعض


:P

يات على لوحات بمقرر

Nuttimilius said...

Lol, does the accreditation agency know about this narrow-mindedness? Tara I will so tell them XD

BB said...

this is absolutely bull-ish!!

thank god im out of that trashy university with all those hags running around like crazy ,,

i wish they get you out of this and stop pointing fingers at you and other teachers in the department.

i was a student in one of your classes. you are missed. truely.

Erzulie said...

I can't believe this is real.
Shame.

neelaah said...

حنان

صراحه ابدعتي
انزعج لما يكون الادب و الرسم يخضع تحت بند الرقابهو الاباحي او غير الاباجي

يعني مثلا هل معقول الناس اللي تدرس فن نشيل من المنهج كل لوحه عظيمه فيها عري

ليش ما يعلمون الناس انه مش كل عري قبيح

معقوله اندرس ادب امريكي مثلا دون التطرق الى هنري ميللير لانه اباحي رغم انه من اعمدة الادب الامريكي

هذا تخلف

راح يجي اليوم اللي يمنعون حتى مناهج الطب لانه فيها صور اباحيه حسب تصنيفهم

و ما يندرى يمكن يلغون تخصص امراض النساءو الولاوة او يخلونه تخصص حريمي فقط

والله عيييييب

AyyA said...

Guys; I surprised at some of your comments, thanking God that you are not in KU, does this matter only concern KU? Wouldn’t your children and grandchildren one day attend KU? Can’t you see that this matter concerns all Kuwait and Kuwaitis, when the highest education entity in the country is taking this stand? Wallah za3altooni.

dilli o milli said...
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dilli o milli said...

Norton Anthology of English Literature has been declared innocent of all charges and was released !! :)

Judy Abbott said...

Thats just the start.


and Tantalize, why take action? if the department is saying yes to this!! We are in KU not CSULB!

film69 said...

حنان
وضعتي يدك بهذه التدوينة على الجراح المثخنى وخاصة بعد أن زادت في السنوات الأخيرة فوضى فتاوي التحريم والمنع
بل وصل الأمر في مصر إلى رفعهم دعوى قضائية عرفت باسم دعوى الحسبة والتي طاولت الكثير من الكتاب والفنانين والكتب والأفلام
ومن أهم الكتب التي واجهت قرار إيقاف تدريسها كانت رواية "الخبز الحافي" للكاتب المغربي محمد شكري والتي كانت تدرس في الجامعة الأمريكية بالقاهرة بحجة احتوائها على عبارات إباحية وعبارات أخرى تحض على الكفر!!ا